re: "...yes, I do question his patriotism...."

Oh, c'mon. Let me give you a pretty good theory of what Moore is about.

He would like to see President Bush defeated in November and have Senator Kerry become president. He believes President Bush and his administration have bungled this war.

There. Is that unpatriotic? Do you think Michael Moore wants to hand this country over to Al Qaeda? Now that would be unpatriotic, and would greatly cut back his film career because I bet Al Qaeda generally hates fat, ugly, abrasive white guys with strong opinions.

F-9/11 is propaganda for his way of thinking. It's a visual editorial cartoon. Did Matt Labash expect Michael Moore would line up a panel from The Weekly Standard and a panel from The New Republic, and then film an intellectual debate with David Brooks and Michael Kinsley as moderators? Snore....

Hey, what goes around, comes around. We Dems will have to sit through the big screen piece that Arnold Schwarzenegger will help the RNC put together in 2008 to bring down President Kerry, now that movies will become the next presidential election political tool. Sigh.

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not `insurgents' or `terrorists' or `The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win." - Michael Moore

This is beyond conspiracy theories. I question his patriotism because I think he's rooting against our country, pure and simple.

Here's how I'm thinking about it. I read the "Minutemen" quote, and then say to myself too quickly, "Hmm, the Minutemen were the good guys in US history, so Moore is saying, 'The Iraqis insurgents who are murdering civilians and US troops are good guys'!!?? Well that Moore is so unpatriotic!"

But then okay, I go to a liberal blog and read VP Cheney saying "Go f*** yourself" to Senator Leahy. And then they have another quote about VP Cheney talking about that NYT reporter, Adam Clymer, as a "major league a**hole." And so I say to myself too quickly, "Wow, this VP Cheney is a foul-mouthed pig who has no self-control."

I personally believe when I look at Cheney's record as a whole, only the most worthless Dem partisan hack would come to the conclusion Cheney is a foul-mouthed pig with no self-control. And I think looking at Moore's work in total, it would be difficult to consider him unpatriotic.

The difficult trick is balance. To not cherry-pick statements. To look at someone's life work. If the liberal Anti-David Brooks went through all of Moore's movies and comments about gun control, corporate greed, and the errors made in Iraq, he could make Moore sound like an angel of wisdom. Which on balance, Moore certainly isn't either.

Probably the biggest difficulty is in this country we love to focus on the loudest and most controversial rather than the most intelligent and reasoned.

Tim, did you see this Matt Yglesias post? Sums it up for me. http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/week_2004_06_20.html#003637%23more

In a saner era, Moore's message would be limited to coming from a bullhorn on a street corner. He offers nothing insightful or informative. He's in it for the money - the Jerry Springer of politics.

Glenn, you summed up my sentiments exactly.

Yeah...the Minutemen murdered citizens who didn't support the revolution and British soldiers. What makes them the good guys?

Dick Cheney has a terrible record on the environment. Maybe it's just me but I think the environment matters.

BB KING...It's impossible for me to believe that you think the Minute Men were not the good guys...It's akin to the soldiers that abused the Iraqi prisoners at Abu Graib representing the entire U.S. Armed Forces and therefore the movement. If you're ashamed of how we gained our freedom, then that makes me question your patriotism

B B King posts: Minutemen murdered citizens who didn't support the revolution and British soldiers.

You're going to have to supply some citations for that claim before I consider it more than revisionist history.

Now Hamas (or is it Hezbollah? forgive me) is showing Moore's movie to as many potential terrorist recruits as they can. They absolutely love him (or love what he can do for them). I don't think Moore anticipated that, and he's trying very hard to side-step the questions about it. My point is he's so blinkered and myopic that he didn't consider consequences of his propaganda, and now more American solders than before will need to die to bring freedom to 25 million Iraquis. I'm disgusted.